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		<title>Comment on On Feminism, part 1 by Legible Susan</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/on-feminism-1/#comment-35883</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Legible Susan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manual trackback: &lt;a href=&quot;http://susanreads.dreamwidth.org/8474.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If it isn&#039;t one thing, it&#039;s another&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manual trackback: <a href="http://susanreads.dreamwidth.org/8474.html" rel="nofollow">If it isn&#8217;t one thing, it&#8217;s another</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Reduce the Rate by sly civilian</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/reduce-the-rate/#comment-35879</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sly civilian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like many of those suggestions.  One thing I&#039;m wary about, the penalty for schools whose grads default. 

To my knowledge, one of the few ways that &quot;degree mill&quot; schools that are all about profit and not education get hit back for what they do is through those penalties.  Are there alternate mechanisms for holding such schools to account for luring students in with false promises?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like many of those suggestions.  One thing I&#8217;m wary about, the penalty for schools whose grads default. </p>
<p>To my knowledge, one of the few ways that &#8220;degree mill&#8221; schools that are all about profit and not education get hit back for what they do is through those penalties.  Are there alternate mechanisms for holding such schools to account for luring students in with false promises?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moving Day! by Helen Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Helen Hunt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 23:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for letting us know about the move to your own server. 

I have now updated my blogroll and RSS feed. For those who are not sure, I think the feed is &#039;http://theangryblackwoman.com/feed&#039;. It seems to be working on my feed reader.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for letting us know about the move to your own server. </p>
<p>I have now updated my blogroll and RSS feed. For those who are not sure, I think the feed is &#8216;http://theangryblackwoman.com/feed&#8217;. It seems to be working on my feed reader.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moving Day! by the angry black woman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the angry black woman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim,

I don&#039;t *think* so, but maybe. I&#039;ll give everyone a heads up in an actual post if so :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t *think* so, but maybe. I&#8217;ll give everyone a heads up in an actual post if so :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moving Day! by Synthia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Synthia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 04:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s lots of work. 
But looking forward to it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s lots of work.<br />
But looking forward to it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moving Day! by Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Done!  And best wishes for the big move.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done!  And best wishes for the big move.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Moving Day! by Tim Jones-Yelvington</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/moving-day/#comment-35869</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Jones-Yelvington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do feed subscribers need to change our subscription? I&#039;m not sure how that works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do feed subscribers need to change our subscription? I&#8217;m not sure how that works.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Hair, Kinky Hair by Kyara</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2006/07/16/good-hair-kinky-hair/#comment-35868</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article was written about 2 or 3 years ago, but it&#039;s steal a big debate! I still hear young people talking about &quot;good&quot; an &quot;bad&quot; hair and that&#039;s a sad thing... On the other side, I see more and more people trying to raise their children with the conviction that they are beautiful as they are. For example, Chris Rock produced the movie &quot;Good hair&quot; for his little girl, go check out my article: http://kyaras.blogspot.com/2009/03/kyara-doesnt-care-about-good-hair.html
K.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article was written about 2 or 3 years ago, but it&#8217;s steal a big debate! I still hear young people talking about &#8220;good&#8221; an &#8220;bad&#8221; hair and that&#8217;s a sad thing&#8230; On the other side, I see more and more people trying to raise their children with the conviction that they are beautiful as they are. For example, Chris Rock produced the movie &#8220;Good hair&#8221; for his little girl, go check out my article: <a href="http://kyaras.blogspot.com/2009/03/kyara-doesnt-care-about-good-hair.html" rel="nofollow">http://kyaras.blogspot.com/2009/03/kyara-doesnt-care-about-good-hair.html</a><br />
K.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Return of the revenge of the daughter of the Welfare Queen by anonymous bw</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be the devil&#039;s advocate, it &quot;is&quot; hard for her situation to be above criticism since she had no degree,no job,no house, no spouse just welfare. In other words, she had little to no visible means of supporting the six kids she had let alone eight other ones she brought in the world. Which means not only has she put strain on her mother, other taxpayers and her children, she has put this on herself. I see where half the criticism is coming from. But I take issue with the &quot;overcriticism&quot; because even if she had none of the obstacles stated, her situation would not have been viewed in the most positive light the way the Duggars have. To be fair, I have seen shows on the family and the lady seems to be a good mother. But take away the husband, the Duggar lady would be in similar straights. I also got tired of the excessive press about the lady because I too could see her narrative as being used as the new poster for the typical delinquent welfare queen. I feel you on this article. I just wanted to interject or whatever than much as I could not stand the fact that she is of Arab/Asian ancestry, I am glad that she was not African North America-thank &quot;goodness&quot;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be the devil&#8217;s advocate, it &#8220;is&#8221; hard for her situation to be above criticism since she had no degree,no job,no house, no spouse just welfare. In other words, she had little to no visible means of supporting the six kids she had let alone eight other ones she brought in the world. Which means not only has she put strain on her mother, other taxpayers and her children, she has put this on herself. I see where half the criticism is coming from. But I take issue with the &#8220;overcriticism&#8221; because even if she had none of the obstacles stated, her situation would not have been viewed in the most positive light the way the Duggars have. To be fair, I have seen shows on the family and the lady seems to be a good mother. But take away the husband, the Duggar lady would be in similar straights. I also got tired of the excessive press about the lady because I too could see her narrative as being used as the new poster for the typical delinquent welfare queen. I feel you on this article. I just wanted to interject or whatever than much as I could not stand the fact that she is of Arab/Asian ancestry, I am glad that she was not African North America-thank &#8220;goodness&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Privilege of Politeness by Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IMO what Claire wrote in the first comment adds an important dimension even if I disagree other parts of it.

Naamen wrote in the post:

&lt;blockquote&gt;At the core of this expectation of politeness is the idea that the POC in question should teach the offender what was wrong with their statement. Because in my experience what is meant by “be polite” is “teach me”, teach me why you’re offended by this, teach me how to be racially sensitive and the bottom line is that it is no one’s responsibility to teach anyone else.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And Claire&#039;s first comment included this -- I am only quoting the part that aI feel adds a dimension, and am in no way saying Claire will agree with me on any of this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;... [the] demand for politeness (”well, you could have been nicer about it”) is a weak attempt at saving face and gaining back a little control in a confrontation you are losing, or are about to lose.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I actually agree that the core issue when white people demand politeness and teaching is usually control. And I see the push for control as part of the dynamics of the European cultural system that culturally (and incorrectly) locates white people as superior. 

The European cultural ego is motivated by a quest for power and control. Interactions are about maintaining dominance/control. 

In this cultural context when white people do this (there are other contexts, but am talking about this one) the culturally specific goal of &quot;saving face&quot; is to protect the association of whiteness and goodness.

I see the &quot;expectation of learning&quot; dynamic as serving this push for control over the communication, and also over the image of self that the person seeks to project.

The reason I feel this as important is because if this is correct, then the actual act of teaching or learning is not the point in these interactions in any way at any time. 

Stripped down to the core, the demand to be taught is a demand for submission to the white person&#039;s control in the communication, and also a demand for an acceptance of the &quot;good white&quot; image. 

To me this has implications for action. For example: let&#039;s say someone chooses to teach in one of these situations.  If the underlying dynamic is that the white person wants to be in control and maintain the &quot;good white person&quot; image, then there will be no actual learning beyond what can maintain the control (sometimes pretty subtly) and the good person image. The focus is not on learning at all, it is on control and image. 

A learner (including one who expects to be treated as a learner) is a different kind of thing to deal with than a white cultural ego interested in control and image. Control and image focus has interaction dangers that learner does not. There will be more subtle violence flowing in the control/image dynamic -- and not by accident but because it is part of the dynamic at its core, because the dynamic itself comes from and perpetuates white supremacy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO what Claire wrote in the first comment adds an important dimension even if I disagree other parts of it.</p>
<p>Naamen wrote in the post:</p>
<blockquote><p>At the core of this expectation of politeness is the idea that the POC in question should teach the offender what was wrong with their statement. Because in my experience what is meant by “be polite” is “teach me”, teach me why you’re offended by this, teach me how to be racially sensitive and the bottom line is that it is no one’s responsibility to teach anyone else.</p></blockquote>
<p>And Claire&#8217;s first comment included this &#8212; I am only quoting the part that aI feel adds a dimension, and am in no way saying Claire will agree with me on any of this:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; [the] demand for politeness (”well, you could have been nicer about it”) is a weak attempt at saving face and gaining back a little control in a confrontation you are losing, or are about to lose.</p></blockquote>
<p>I actually agree that the core issue when white people demand politeness and teaching is usually control. And I see the push for control as part of the dynamics of the European cultural system that culturally (and incorrectly) locates white people as superior. </p>
<p>The European cultural ego is motivated by a quest for power and control. Interactions are about maintaining dominance/control. </p>
<p>In this cultural context when white people do this (there are other contexts, but am talking about this one) the culturally specific goal of &#8220;saving face&#8221; is to protect the association of whiteness and goodness.</p>
<p>I see the &#8220;expectation of learning&#8221; dynamic as serving this push for control over the communication, and also over the image of self that the person seeks to project.</p>
<p>The reason I feel this as important is because if this is correct, then the actual act of teaching or learning is not the point in these interactions in any way at any time. </p>
<p>Stripped down to the core, the demand to be taught is a demand for submission to the white person&#8217;s control in the communication, and also a demand for an acceptance of the &#8220;good white&#8221; image. </p>
<p>To me this has implications for action. For example: let&#8217;s say someone chooses to teach in one of these situations.  If the underlying dynamic is that the white person wants to be in control and maintain the &#8220;good white person&#8221; image, then there will be no actual learning beyond what can maintain the control (sometimes pretty subtly) and the good person image. The focus is not on learning at all, it is on control and image. </p>
<p>A learner (including one who expects to be treated as a learner) is a different kind of thing to deal with than a white cultural ego interested in control and image. Control and image focus has interaction dangers that learner does not. There will be more subtle violence flowing in the control/image dynamic &#8212; and not by accident but because it is part of the dynamic at its core, because the dynamic itself comes from and perpetuates white supremacy.</p>
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