So…Hillary Clinton’s stopped hiding her racism

Clinton touts support from ‘white Americans’ It looks like she’s decided that if she’s going down she’s taking the party with her. I mean there’s no other reason I can come up with for her to essentially say that white votes are the only votes that really matter. Bets on how long it’ll take her to claim her words are being taken out of context or to insist that calling her out for saying this shit is playing the “race” card? Personally I give it 24 hours. I can’t even analyze this on a deeper level because at this point there’s nothing else to say. Her cards are on the table for the world to see now.

Karnythia is a writer, a historian, and occasionally a loud mouth. In between raising hell and raising kids she usually manages to find time to contemplate the meaning of life as a black woman in America. Her posts on any topic can be found at her Livejournal.

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  1. Holy f!cking sh!t. What was she thinking? It’s like a quote from Reagan.

  2. Now that I think about it, I think I may have just slandered Reagan.

  3. You didn’t.

  4. What the shit? Wow.

  5. I wonder if it will even take 24 hours. This sh*t has gotten ridiculous. I was ‘confronted’ by a white woman at a local brunch place last weekend when she saw my non-whiteness and/or my Obama pin. She grilled me on whether or not I’d vote for Sen. Clinton if she got the nomination, and my answer (That I’d “vote”), mollified her.

    I didn’t tell her that I had grave reservations about casting a vote for a candidate whose campaign has become more and more racist, and that I felt personally dissed by both Clinton and her surrogates. I didn’t need the grief.

    But this seals the deal. I will be writing in Barack Obama if he doesn’t get the nomination. Let the accusations of my ruining big D democracy fly, but I will not do that to myself. I make too many damn compromises every day.

  6. I am shocked that she has so much support from Black Women in powerful positions. Can someone please explain why that is?

  7. [...] Jack and Jill Politics writes about race baiting that is still coming out of the Clinton camp, despite her total loss of a chance at the nomination.  It makes me glad that my 7-year-old sister is still yelling “Boo, Hillary!” at a house in our neighborhood  that has her signs on their lawn when we ride our bikes, despite New York having voted on Super Tuesday.  Karnythia at The Angry Black Woman states her feelings on it plainly. [...]

  8. Are you f#*@ing kidding me, Hillary? The combination of racism and class-hypocrisy is staggering.

  9. In the past, I’ve said that I found both Clinton and Obama acceptable and would vote for whoever got the nomination. I would like to revise that opinion…

  10. Dear Ms. Clinton:

    You lost the vote of this white woman months ago when the Ferarro crap happened.

    You’ve now nailed the coffin shut. I don’t care if you send Chelsea to visit me personally, you’ve lost my vote.

  11. Not surprised that Hillary would make a statement like this.

  12. And people are surprised why? Once a Goldwater Girl always a Goldwater Girl.

  13. What nails it is the “hardworking”. That is pandering of the most disgusting kind. Nobody who grew up in a racist place has any honest doubt about what that was meant to convey.

  14. Eh, thinking about it, I should say “openly racist”. If you’re a USAn, there’s no non-racist place for you to grow up, sadly. But I talked to someone who I don’t think has really been exposed to much open, explicit racism, and I think he genuinely wasn’t aware of the overtones of the remark. But you’ll never get me to believe Clinton isn’t.

  15. Nope, no surprises. I REALLY want to hear what Stephanie Tubbs Jones has to say. Seriously. Like, could someone call her? Shoot, I’ll look for her number.

  16. I’m no longer surprised by Clinton’s racism. The only thing I’m hoping for — stupidly hoping, but hoping — is that some of the “hardworking” white Democrats realize she’s just using them.

    ::sigh:: Yeah, I know. Stupid.

  17. It’s slightly heartening that the comment response at the CNN page the last time I checked seems overwhelmingly disgusted with her. I’m daring to hope that she’s really torn off the mask, that no one except the most abject, unapologetically racist supporters can ignore or deny to themselves at this point precisely how without principle she is.

    Of course, if the media had been doing its job it would have been long since evident. But I think maybe they’re finally done with the idiotic “even-handedness” that says that when someone repeatedly launches racist attack after racist attack (Kerrey, Shaheen, Ferraro) you can’t call them on it or you’re being partisan. She’s been very good at playing them up to now, but I’m hoping this tears it. If you go to the USA today site, they’ve made a point of posting the mp3 of the phone interview, so that she can’t possibly weasel out of it.

  18. Oh my God. I should not be surprised, I shouldn’t, but just…wow.

    “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” “working, hard-working Americans, white Americans.”

    Because the black vote is invisible, and because she’s doing SO well with the white folks winning them by all of ten percent in the last two states.

    Meanwhile, I’m going to keep reading The Audacity of Hope and wishing that Florida had a real primary this year…

  19. The only thing I’m hoping for — stupidly hoping, but hoping — is that some of the “hardworking” white Democrats realize she’s just using them.

    Here, a lot of them do and I think some of them are voting for McCain anyway, since it’s a strongly Republican area. I’m thinking that Clinton’s campaign is so reminiscent of some of the memorable Republican campaigns, I think she’s in the wrong primary.

  20. My guess is they’ll throw an apology bone, pat themselves on the back for being progressive enough to call out Hillary and then switch the topic to “What about the sexism?”

  21. Is there an acronym ICNBTS? This is really low. It’s sad.

    Unlike so many people who make unwittingly racist statements, Clinton is not acting out of ignorance or stupidity or even self-absorption. This is willful. She knows what she is saying, and so does everyone else. She thinks that enough people will agree with her (consciously or subconsciously) that she will get her way, and she’s willing to make a blatant appeal to the worst in white people in order to accomplish it.

    There was a bit of tarnish on the Clintons before, but this is rot.

  22. And she waited until after the North Carolina primary (30% black state population) to say this, which is no accident.

    Re Republicans, if John McCain ever actually up and said “I’m the candidate of white America; those are the votes that count,” his campaign would be over. The difference is that Clinton’s campaign is already over; she’s just hoping for a mini-race war among the superdelegates in Denver that will force Obama to accept her as VP, which would make her the presumptive frontrunner in 2012 after she successfully puts McCain in the White House.

    At least that’s becoming my working theory. I can’t come up with any other explanation for why she’s pulling this.

    All I can say is that I never had any respect for Bill and Hillary Clinton to begin with–the “first black president” can’t give the “angry white man” speech, from where I sit (anyone remember that crap?)–and the more damage Hillary Clinton does to the Clinton legacy, the better for America, I guess. I just hope she doesn’t take Obama down with her. And maybe she won’t. Maybe this will actually help him in the long run, since all of McCain’s talking points will be shopworn by the time he has a chance to use them.

  23. Notice this was written before these remarks:
    http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/318011

    Alot of people have said that she has been gunning for the Archie Bunker racist vote since S. Carolina.

    I agree with Susie, people know what she means by “hardworking”, those lazy black people who just sit around collecting welfare, compared to the good white folks working so hard.

  24. Oh and Radfem, the MSM seems to finally be catching on to the fact that Clinton is running as a Republican:
    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=64032fab-d36d-44b8-817c-6ba2f88f732d

    And that slime (takes one to know one is my guess), Dick Morris knew that Clinton wouldn’t be playing nice after N. Carolina and her razor thin win in Indiana, he even knew she would be playing into white racist fears (although he didn’t directly call it that):
    http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/05/08/is-dick-morris-making-sense.aspx

  25. It’s an appalling betrayal. If this is what it took to win, (and I don’t think it is) then it would not be a victory worth having. She would have the democrats win by becoming that which they oppose.

    I decided a while back that I can’t vote for her if she somehow steals this thing.

  26. A betrayal would imply that HIllary Clinton was once ever on the side of black women and women of color in general. I think she just finally said what’s always been in her head.

  27. Thanks for the links, Donna. She kind of reminds me a bit of Pete Wilson, the former California governor.

    Re Republicans, if John McCain ever actually up and said “I’m the candidate of white America; those are the votes that count,” his campaign would be over. The difference is that Clinton’s campaign is already over; she’s just hoping for a mini-race war among the superdelegates in Denver that will force Obama to accept her as VP, which would make her the presumptive frontrunner in 2012 after she successfully puts McCain in the White House.

    There was a really good letter published in the newspaper where I work that explained this, how she’s setting up a McCain victory so she can run again in 2012.

  28. I have been voting regularly since 1992. This is my observation:

    1) Republicans do not have socio-economic issues of race, class, gender, etc on their agenda at all.

    2) The Democrats only pretend to.

    3) Those who would make the best presidents usually do not run for a political office.

  29. Diane,

    Here is an interesting quote:

    “Time and experience have shown that laws and edicts of non-discrimination are not enough. Justice demands that each and every citizen consciously adopt and accentuate a commitment to affirmative action, which will make equal opportunity a reality.”

    -Ronald Reagan, 1974 (Former Governor of California)

    Interesting, huh?

    All the best to eveyone….

  30. If this is what it took to win, (and I don’t think it is) then it would not be a victory worth having. She would have the democrats win by becoming that which they oppose.

    I think that this is what will make it finally and definitively clear that she has lost. I hope so anyway. If she does win after this I will be profoundly disturbed. I’m not naive enough to believe that racism is a solved problem in the US, but I do think that the average, mainstream white person in the US at least doesn’t believe in overt prejudice of the “separate water fountains and schools” and “whites are the ubermensch” sort which this quote appears to be pandering to.

    The kindest interpretation I can put on the quote itself is that Clinton was speaking without a script, in stream-of-consciousness mode and didn’t realize that she was juxtaposing “hard-working” and “white” that way (as in she might have meant it as “blue collar, working class people of any race, whites of any socioeconomic group, and people without college degrees are more likely to vote for me”.) That doesn’t really help, though, since it suggests that her sub-conscious mind closely associates “hard-working” and “white”*. Given that she represents NY, it might almost be better if she’s a cynical opportunist willing to use racism if she needs it than an unconscious or semi-conscious racist.

    *Even leaving aside that she managed to insult her largely white collar/service industry, minority, and college educated constituents in NYC quite handily. If Bloomberg or some other reasonable Republican runs against her for Senate she could be in trouble.

  31. I have been voting regularly since 1992. This is my observation:

    1) Republicans do not have socio-economic issues of race, class, gender, etc on their agenda at all.

    2) The Democrats only pretend to.

    3) Those who would make the best presidents usually do not run for a political office.

    I agree. Look how quickly the Democrats rolled over amidst voter disenfranchisement in 2000 and 2004 for example.

  32. This is the real purpose of racism. It’s not about personal hatred (which some small minded white people believe it to be). It is about power and it’s about money. It is cultivated and maintained by the “nobility” and the elite. They pit one group against another to maintain power. Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton understand this. This is why they used Geraline Ferraro to say that silly racist stuff. It was a coded message to white people to remember who they are: “Vote for the white person, whitey. Those Blacks think they are better than you. Haven’t you given them enough?”

    Bill and Hilllary understand all of this better than me and better than you. This is why it so terrible to see them using racism like this. It is sad. Black people have had their backs over and over again. Every time they got into trouble we have been there for them and have always voted for them. To see them throw us under the bus like this is … well … disgusting. It’s not like they haven’t done this before i.e. Joyceln Elders, Sister Souljah, Loni Guinier. (All Black women, hum…)

    The great thing about this situation is that it is not working. Thank God. The country still has a hell of a lot of problems, especially when it comes to race. I would dare say that is the only problem that the country has. (Would we be at war without it? Would our country have an economy like without it? Wouldn’t we have heath care for everyone if the country wasn’t racist? It’s something to think about.) But we seem willing to stretch ourselves this time and do something a little progressive. Hallelujah!

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  34. The real insult is that they just talk about it like it is truth. News flash you racist succubus Barack gets the votes of White people. She sucks on so many levels, now here’s the real issue. The members of our so called leadership still supporting her – that’s you Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, etc.. Maybe it’s time to show these people that we really do vote with our interest and not just our race.

  35. And the media is getting all in her ass about this one.

    I think her breakdown is in order. If she just leaves the race, she’ll do herself some fucking good.

    And when it comes right down to it, those “Hard working americans” (because they must always be white) that she’s talking about? Will likely vote for McCain in the general.

    Those Working Class Whites do not vote in their own interests, ultimately. They vote along racial lines and sexist lines as well.

  36. With all due respect, I think e-mailing superdelegates is a bad tactic. Let Clinton’s people get the ill will for harassing them, which is what’s currently happening, and may well be a part of why 9 moved to Obama today. Right now Obama’s supporters are the ones who *aren’t* pissing them off — let’s not change that.

    Here’s a Huffington Post article on superdelegates’ exasperation with threatening e-mails from the Clinton camp: http://preview.tinyurl.com/57mu35

  37. She lost her mind. And any hope of my vote.

  38. when you think about it, it really doesn’t matter who you vote for, they’re both socialist… >.>;;… although I could stand Obama before Hillary and Hillary LONG before McCain

  39. Those Working Class Whites do not vote in their own interests, ultimately. They vote along racial lines and sexist lines as well.

    I think they’ll vote three different ways. Some I know support McCain but others support Obama. To the Clintons, they might be the only votes that matter but there not all hers and they’re not all entitled to be hers. And that’s one thing of many that bothers me, is that she believes she’s entitled to any vote.

  40. People keep saying “Very few people who would have voted Democrat anyway will vote for McCain instead of Clinton, no matter what she says,” and it’s possible that they’re right about that. But what many, many people will do is stay home, and I can’t blame them. And if African Americans stay home in large numbers, Democrats lose. That’s all there is to it. In trying to get the votes of people the party has historically *never* gotten in large numbers, not even her darling husband, she has forfeited the votes that have made the difference between defeat and victory for every winning Democratic candidate for at least the past several decades. She is both conscienceless and a fool.

  41. I’m still trying to get my jaw back in place, it dropped so hard when I saw she said this. Various people have tried to make me (a 35+ white woman) feel guilty for voting Obama instead of Hillary, but that’s not going to fly anymore. I thought the Ferraro thing was as low as the campaign could go. I should have known they’d manage to sink even lower.

    Not to mention that the construction she’s making is false. If rural and working-class white Americans were unwilling to vote for Obama, he wouldn’t have won 70% of the vote in Illinois when he ran for Senate. They may be voting for Hillary in the primaries, but if it’s a choice between Crazy John McCain and Obama, all but the most unreconstructed racists will be voting Obama.

  42. I’m old enough to remember George “Standin’ in the Schoolhouse Door” Wallace. When Wallace first ran for governor of Alabama he was considered a racial moderate and an economic progressive by the Dixie standards of the time.

    But this was 1958 and the civil rights movement was gaining strength. Wallace lost decisively to John Patterson who ran on an openly neo-confederate platform.

    That’s when George Corley Wallace changed his tune and sided with the most vicious kind of Dixiecrat apartheid. It worked. He won the governorship & went on to run for president by appealing to the racism in America’s white working class.

    I still remember when he came to my home state of Maryland and exploited the tragic racial divisions that so many people were trying to heal there.

    The irony of course was that Wallace didn’t even believe most of the racial crap he was peddling. It was pandering race card politics at its lowest. Wallace wrote the textbook that Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and both Bush I and II followed so closely.

    Does this sound familiar to anyone? Hillary, are you listening?

  43. AND SO IT GOES: On being Black and Female in the USA

    Beginning in Seneca Falls, and through today, both the women’s rights and civil rights movements have shared similar goals and membership. And there has been a running fued that first came to a head at the end of the civil war when freedmen (empasis on MEN) were enfranchised and white women weren’t (read: White middle, upper middle and upper class women). White women lost it! Calls went up for the unity of the white race, male and female, in solidairity against “inferior negroes” who, through ignorance or guile, threatened to destroy civilization as they knew it! Negroes were simply not ready for such things as voting, They were too “inexperienced.” Best that white women go first and THEN the blacks, after sufficient time had passed and the negroes had proven themselves WORTHY of course.

    Through the suffragettes and the civil rights movement and women’s liberation up until today, this tug of war between “women” and “blacks” (because as we know I, a black woman, don’t EXIST) has continued, each fighting for their rightful place in the whiteman’s world.

    And that has been the problem, each side fighting not to end patriarchy, but for each group’s share of it.

    And it has not gone unnoticed that when people think of feminism, they don’t generally think of waitresses, bus drivers, and nursing assisstants. That’s because you won’t see these women at your local NOW chapter meetings. And the reason why is simple; NOW (and other organizations of women with sufficient time, money and education to “fight the good fight”) has done a lousy job of addressing the needs of the these women.

    These organizations have no problem using working and poor women as case studies and poster children, but these “Woman Centered” groups have no need for input from these “sisters.” It’s hard to represent the concerns of poor women when you yourself can only afford to fight the powers-that-be because you have hired another woman (at starvation pay and no benefits) to tend your house and raise your kids.

    For the corporate feminist, the world is quite simple.

    Racism is all about black men and class is something you skip in order to go to a workshop at the Ritz on the Shattering the Glass Ceiling.

  44. The fact that she’s hanging on to swing the race here way through the superdelegate route (which is the only way she could be nominated) as people have said, shows that basically she’s saying that the popular vote and non-super delegates shouldn’t be counted. This is disturbing and comes from a place of entitlement most often exercised by this “patriarchy”.

    And to say you’d have a better chance to beat McCain when you can’t even win the popular vote in your own political party means that she’d be focusing her attention on obtaining the independent and Republican votes, if many Democrats didn’t switch their votes to her.

  45. Billary has been lauded all their lives for being the smartest thing on four legs. Imagine being “entitled” to the Presidency, and yet the “eggheads”, “blacks” and this bi-racial candidate – the audacity! – haven’t gotten the memo. How purple-faced, finger pointing, head swiveling and infuriating that must be.

    What Billary, their supporters, and advocates have spouted never bothered me. Why? I just see it at something that SOME people their age (boomers plus) think and feel: “We like the coloreds, Negroes and others as long as they know their place.” It is Billary’s turn after all!

    It must blow their minds to see themselves hemmed in by this reality of defeat (and being outsmarted). They’ve always been narcissists, mendacious and venal, but the folks who backed them are only starting to notice.

    My last cynical note: I bet if she runs for re-election in NY black folks will back her anyway. Could she win without their support?

  46. News flash you racist succubus

    I’m sorry if I’m seen as out of line for this, and I don’t exactly have mod power, but I do think we can point out how completely racist and fucked up and appalling her behavior is without resorting to what I feel is a gendered slur in return. There IS a lot of sexism being directed towards the Clinton campaign, which existed long before I saw her getting out of line, and I’m not going to say either -ism is more severe but they’re both relevant problems.

    Susie, so much yes. If she does win this, by now she’s made so many people feel hurt and betrayed that they’re not going to vote at all, and that will guarantee McCain a win, and that will put our country right where it does NOT need to be, IMO.

  47. Listening to her connect up the dots between hard-working and white… it’s appalling.

    The sad thing to me is that this race between Clinton and Obama could really have amounted to something… it’s rare that we residents of states with later/”insignificant” primaries get any attention at all. I know that we here in DC, for all that we live in the nation’s capital, get very little political advertising spent on us at all. Everyone knows we vote democrat. It was empowering this year knowing that our primary would mean something to Clinton and Obama (even though we went overwhelmingly for Obama). I feel like this was a good season for capital D democracy for us here (and for others in smaller states; not that we’re a state, but that’s a whole ‘nother rant), and it was shitted up by Hillary Clinton being an idiot the whole time.

  48. I haven’t been commenting on here because I’m not American, but this is the first time I’ve seen Albert Johnson Jr’s comment, and I agree with Kim. He might mean to link “succubus” with “suck” but its real meaning is specific – yes it is a slur, although I haven’t seen it used before.

    On topic, some of the coded comments in this election go right over my head (until they’re deconstructed on here) but this latest one is easy to read – I hope the people who’ve been defending Clinton while she’s been attacked for being a woman, won’t just pretend this didn’t happen.

  49. If I have this right it appears that even Rangel is backing away from the Clintons over these last outbursts.

    She lost me with her incredibly stupid health care plan back in 1993-94. It was stupid because she did it as a secret, because it was ALL about the medical insurance industry, and because it was so complicated it just could not work, and she didn’t see it.

    But I gave her the benefit of the doubt because of how everyone from left and right and center attacked Bill from the moment he entered the White House.

    I was pleased when she got elected Senator from my state. But was disappointed in how little she seemed to be actually doing, other than building up their bank accounts — granted, very scanty bank accounts and filled with debt because of all the lawsuits of all kinds they were attacked with throughout the administrations. The ways she approached it — the expensive luxury mansion, the joining of the ultra conservative Christian prayer group that so many the Hill’s whackorighties are members of — that was bad enough.

    But then voting to go along with the invasion of Iraq post 9/11, never never never again.

    With each passing year too, the so-called Clinton legacy of the 90′s looks smaller and smaller. He left us with no infrastructure, nothing around which to mount and keep mounting defense and offense against those who have now blatantly show how they’ve highjacked the Constitution. He HELPED them, as we so thought at the time, with the telecommunications acts and NAFTA, etc.

    Thus, by the time she announced she was going to seek the nom for the 2008 POTUS campaign, I loathed her and him both. And that has only become more so in the last months.

    They both look like Wormtongues by now.

    Love, C.

  50. Wormtongues. That’s a good name for it!

    Yes. And let’s not forget that it was Bill Clinton who championed mandatory minimums in federal sentencing, the sentencing of juveniles as adults, a tough-on-immigrants approach to Mexican-American immigration, the reinstatement of the federal death penalty, extraordinary rendition, the Defense of Marriage Act, the “angry white man” and the “mend it, don’t end it” (i.e., “let’s give Republicans half of what they ask for”) approach to affirmative action, radical expansion of executive power, sexual exploitation of female employees less than half his age over whose careers he had absolute power, and, lest we forget, letting the Rwandan genocide happen.

    I see Clinton (particularly post-1994) and Bush as only a few degrees apart. There are relatively few things Bush has done, including invading Iraq, that Bill Clinton would not have also done had he been given adequate time.

  51. From Blacks4Barack:
    Group pushing Clinton as VP choice secretly
    tied to her campaign
    By Margaret Talev McClatchy Newspapers
    Posted on Sunday, May 11, 2008

    WASHINGTON — A group called VoteBoth has been leading the charge for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to team up on the Democratic ticket.
    But the people behind it come from just one of those camps — Clinton’s — and one of their goals may be keeping Clinton’s White House prospects alive.
    The group’s founder, Adam Parkhomenko, until recently worked as an assistant to Patti Solis Doyle, who was Clinton’s campaign manager until February. Parkhomenko in 2003 founded the Draft Hillary for President Committee.
    VoteBoth’s spokesman is Sam Arora. He’s a law school student who in recent years worked for Clinton and for former Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe, Clinton’s presidential campaign chairman.
    VoteBoth’s Facebook page lists three others as administrators, all with Clinton connections.
    One is a Richmond-based Democratic technology consultant, who was quoted in a New York Times story about the Iowa Democratic Party’s 2006 Jefferson-Jackson dinner, where he was passing out “Hillary for President” stickers. Another appears online in a photo with Hillary Clinton and others at a summer leadership program from 2006.
    A third is a history professor and campaign contributor whom Clinton named earlier this year in a press release of prominent Virginians to endorse her. wrote When VoteBoth
    On Friday, when word went out that Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., didn’t see Clinton as Obama’s pick for a running mate, VoteBoth released a statement offering respect for Kennedy. But it added, “We think that the millions of Democrats who have voted for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have something to say, too. Why stop at having a nominee who has the support of 51 percent of Democrats when we could have a ‘Dream Team’ ticket that has won 100 percent?”
    VoteBoth first filed with the Federal Election Commission on April 8, two weeks before the Pennsylvania primary that Clinton won and that was considered a crucial window for her comeback. The group’s original mission promoted the idea of Clinton as the nominee, with Obama as her running mate.
    On May 1, days after the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s latest divisive remarks and Obama’s renouncement of his former pastor, VoteBoth amended its mission. It now would support a joint ticket in either order, so long as Clinton’s name was on the ballot.
    Last week, as Obama’s strong showing made him all but certain to clinch the nomination, VoteBoth leaders began putting themselves in the spotlight, sending regular press releases, posting blogs and appearing in interviews.
    Parkhomenko wrote a widely circulated piece on The Huffington Post on Tuesday as voters went to the polls in North Carolina and Indiana primaries. “VoteBoth does not aim to pick who leads the ticket,” he said. He wrote of friends who “believe in Barack as strongly as I believe in Hillary” and wanting to be inclusive “as a matter of fairness, practicality, experience and hope.”
    On Friday, when word went out that Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., didn’t see Clinton as Obama’s pick for a running mate, VoteBoth released a statement offering respect for Kennedy. But it added, “We think that the millions of Democrats who have voted for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have something to say, too. Why stop at having a nominee who has the support of 51 percent of Democrats when we could have a ‘Dream Team’ ticket that has won 100 percent?”
    On Friday, Parkhomenko said through a spokesman that his decision to change the mission came after talking to an Obama supporter. He also said he gave neither the Clinton nor Obama campaigns a heads-up about his group.
    In an interview Friday, Arora said VoteBoth is not coordinated with Clinton’s campaign, and is “just a bunch of us volunteering our time because we think this is a good idea.” Despite the lopsided Clinton connections, he said it isn’t just about supporting Clinton but about bringing together the rivals’ historic turnout and fund-raising machines and constituencies.
    “There’s been a lot of talk about a unity ticket and we think that’s where the conversation should be,” said Arora, choosing a word — conversation — that Clinton used to frame her campaign appearances. “If we’ve been able to help the discussion forward, that’s what we’re focused on.”
    “If Barack Obama is the nominee and he takes Senator Clinton as his vice president, you’ve got a ticket that’s already won 100 percent of the Democratic vote, that’s turned out a record number of Democratic voters and that has shattered fundraising records. A unity ticket is the way Democrats win in November.”
    Obama’s campaign declined comment on VoteBoth. The Clinton campaign did not respond to a request for comment.
    McClatchy Newspapers 2008

    Visit: http://www.Blacks4Barack.org
    A Multi-Racial, Grassroots Org…Dedicated To Truth !

  52. [...] me. There’s a pattern emerging here,” she said. There is indeed a pattern, and The Angry Black Woman has a very incisive post on this with some lively commentary from [...]

  53. There are relatively few things Bush has done, including invading Iraq, that Bill Clinton would not have also done had he been given adequate time.

    No need to invade with all the bombing runs and economic imbargos which still killed many Iraqis.

    I know that we shouldn’t judge Hillary Clinton by her husband’s actions during his presidency but I don’t see her platform including her latest “tough on crime” proposal as being a whole lot different. Any health care proposal is going to favor health insurance companies and pharmacudial companies b/c she’s getting money from them (though Obama is too).

    And I’m not convinced that Clinton doesn’t want McCain to win, certainly if she can’t get in her self. It sets her up perfectly for 2012.

  54. I know that we shouldn’t judge Hillary Clinton by her husband’s actions during his presidency …

    Wait a minute, why not? I mean, I appreciate that you’re trying so hard to be even-handed, but if she’s claiming that period as part of her greater qualifications to be president, then I think she’s made it fair game to discuss. Especially since she’s showing every indication of exhibiting many of the same tendencies, perhaps to a greater degree. I don’t recall Bill saber-rattling to the extent she does, although it was a different era.

  55. [...] hilarity doesn’t stop there.  Hillary is literally shooting herself in as many feet as possible.  If she’s left standing after this election, it’ll be a [...]

  56. Honestly, I don’t believe that Bill Clinton — or Al Gore — would have invaded Iraq. Al Gore was not and is not Dick Cheney. This was the Cheney, Rove, Rumsfield, neoCon (emphasis on CON) etc.’s agenda, for two reasons, neither of which were operative with Clinton or Gore:

    To prove that pulling out of Vietnam was wrong, i.e. staying the course and employing nukes is all it took, and it was the LEFT that LOST Vietnam (as if the Vietnamese people had nothing to do with the stalemates and defeats of the U.S. in this war we never constitutionally declared, on a state that did nothing to the U.S.);

    and

    to make sure Cheney’s Halliburton and associated Corporatist powers like KBR, etc., get control of all the Middle eastern oil, and along the way spend the U.S. government and Constitution out of existence.

    Love, C.

  57. Susie, it was, and as Radfem pointed out, Bill was able to rattle bombs instead of sabers–whether it was innocent civilians in Iraq or an aspirin factory in Sudan or the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. He belonged to the “nuke the site from orbit; it’s the only way to be sure” school of interventionist foreign policy, and that kept both costs and U.S. troop casualties very low, which made people very happy. Except for the families of the people he bombed, of course, but they had darker skin than he did and certainly much less money, and they lived in a far-off country speaking a language that wasn’t English, so they were fair game.

    To be honest, I would see either Obama OR McCain as a vast improvement over both Clinton and Bush. I find myself increasingly convinced that Jimmy Carter is the only decent president we’ve had in 40 years. Barack Obama just might give us one more.

  58. It has been a few days, but I am still steamed about this. It makes me very angry that Hillary Clinton has once again marginalized and subjugated Black folks only to appeal to the white privilege in dominant culture. It is not bad enough that this woman was playing the “feminist card” in order to pit white women against folks of color; it is deplorable that she would hide behind her racist hijinks in order to not only treat Mr. Obama badly and try to pull the wool over the eyes of a public still used to the past reputation of her husband.

    I just have one thing to say. She has finally shown her ass. And when it could be discussed in detail by the MSM, they have chosen to sweep it under the rug so that the white public will not get upset.

    It is high time that people just stop with the crap and start putting the cards on the table.

    It is getting tiring to hear and see all these innuendoes that Hillary Clinton and other white people throw out there only to have it swept over like nothing happened.

    Forgive me for my furiousness, but I can’t help it this time. I have seen this action by white people (who are not allies) time and time again all my life. It seems that nothing can ever change when this stuff hits the fan once again.

    Take care,

    –Ceci

  59. Tom, I agree, and I want to make it clear that I agree with just about everything Radfem says, too. I love it when my side holds its head high and adheres to honest standards of debate, no matter what the opposition is doing. I just think she was being even a tad overscrupulous.

    And on that note, here’s a great piece by Barbara Ehrenreich: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080526/ehrenreich

  60. Don’t fool yourself about McCain. He’ll be EVEN WORSE than bush.

    As one Senator said, “Look at McCain’s economic plans. He will complete the NeoCon’s determination to make the government so ineffectively small that it can be “drowned in the bathtub.”

    That includes, as you know, the Constitution, without which those GUYS will take total power forever.

    Love, C.

  61. Hillary is the kind of politician this country Doesn’t need.

  62. This has been Hillary’s life long dream and she’s not leaving gracefully. The campaign strategy has been to show that CHANGE (Obama) is not good for everyone. So be afraid. The Clinton News Network (CNN) latest headline is West Virginia Raises DOUBTS about OBAMA. The media is a powerful force and is driving the fear.

    It is simply to easy to look at how he is running his CAMPAIGN as opposed to how she is running hers. She is undignified and angry and has succeeded in taking our focus off of what will life be like for us the next four years and who might (no one knows what will happen when someone is voted into office) be the right person for all of us in this country.

  63. Y’all think this is something? Well, strap yourselves in…..it’s gonna be a bumpy ride…..I think we’ve only seen the tip of the iceburg….

  64. oh please. Clinton racist ha! After all she has done for us black people.. ungrateful people like you turn your backs on her when she needs you the most. So of course that will induce some resentment, will it not? But she is still far from being a racist. Being white the Clintons could have simply gone on and ignored us like past white politicans, but instead they have always been at the forefront of civil rights, fighting for our rights. Since when has Obama done as much and he owes us -being black and all.
    Just because she is white and running against Senator Obama and employing tactics to beat him does not make her a racist. Many of you didn’t have a problem with her before and even welcomed her with open arms, why the hate now? stop seeing racism when there isn’t any at all.

  65. Actually Laisha, Hillary’s decision to use race baiting as a campaign tactic is pretty much the textbook definition of racism. She didn’t engage in this behavior before now so of course she wasn’t called out for her bigotry.

  66. Was she considered a racist when she was first lady?
    Is she not just an uppity woman who thinks she can do a man’s job now?
    Was her husband, the one who’s dick screwed up his presidency under the same race card scrutiny.
    Are there words that have been and could be taken out of context.
    Is it ok that most white folks who are for Obama are rich, intellectuals, the same type that turn us off to feminism?
    Is it true that Dukakis and Mondale lost because they didn’t appeal to the centrist Democrats who ended up voting for the most evil MF we’ve ever had in office (Reagan)?
    or was Dukakis not voted for because he was olive skinned, “swarthy” and short?
    and his running mate was an uppity liberal woman?

  67. She didn’t engage in this behavior as first lady. That’s the whole point. The fact that she was better at hiding her racism earlier doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist now when she’s waving it like a flag. Nor does the fact that bill was better behaved then change the reality of his words now. it’s got nothing to do with “uppity” though I’m sure the Clintons have applied that particular description to the Obamas and everything to do with what they’ve actually said.

  68. I fail to see them as racists. I must have missed a speech or two and not read their actions the same way.

    I am seriously concerned that McCain could take a hell of a lot of centrist votes based on our nominee appearing too liberal.

    Can Obama appeal and pander to that vote? Will he bother to?
    or will it be Reagan Version 4.0

  69. Laisha, you fail.

    Pay attention to the news, hon!

    “After all she has done for us black people.. ungrateful people like you turn your backs on her when she needs you the most.”
    Explain what she has done for black people. Bill Clinton does not count – it is not his campaign.

    “So of course that will induce some resentment, will it not? ”
    Actually no. What got black people off of her team was when BILL started running his mouth.

    “Since when has Obama done as much and he owes us -being black and all.”

    Community organizing in his home state of IL. In poor neighborhoods, too. Fancy fucking that.

    “Just because she is white and running against Senator Obama and employing tactics to beat him does not make her a racist.”

    You didn’t read this post. Why did you comment again?

    “Many of you didn’t have a problem with her before and even welcomed her with open arms, why the hate now?”
    As Karnythia said – she didn’t show that side of her before. She has now pretty much lowered herself down to race baiting and etc. in just THIS election ALONE. You have to be living under a ROCK to not be able to see the amazing amount of race baiting she AND Bill has been doing.

  70. Is she not just an uppity woman who thinks she can do a man’s job now?
    Was her husband, the one who’s dick screwed up his presidency under the same race card scrutiny.

    I have seen so many people playing the gender card with her, for lack of a better term, that it gets me sick. Bill wasn’t under the same scrutiny because he didn’t do this at the time and, surprise, because his opponent wasn’t of color so there weren’t race tactics to play in combating the opposition.

    Hilary said a racist thing. If she were male, it would still be a racist thing to say. I can buy that she may not be as overtly racist as the comment makes her appear and she’s doing this to help her in the primaries. Frankly, most politics are so entrenched in doublespeak that who knows WHAT most candidates think anymore? But it would still be an act of bigotry to use that racist dialog in order to win. And that’s justs as bad, if not worse, because she’d be consciously aware as she was doing it.

    Meanwhile, I don’t recall a single reference Obama has made to Clinton’s gender or how her gender is to her detriment in the polls. If I’m wrong, please correct me and apologies in advance.

  71. Hillary played the race card first, and has been playing it throughout her campaign. Please don’t come along totally ignorant of what’s gone on in the campaign and try to pretend it’s Obama who’s made race an issue. If for no other reason than her tacit acceptance of Geraldine Ferraro’s blatantly racist comments (until the furor finally forced her to disown them), I would have lost any respect for Hillary. The recent flat-out statement that she considers white votes to be the only ones that matter, and that most white people are incapable of voting for a black candidate — and her statements amount to this, even if she hasn’t spelled it out — is the most disgusting racist pandering since George Wallace.

    The arguments being made by recent commenters are pretty much incoherent in any case. Apparently if she were to commit murder tomorrow that wouldn’t matter if she hadn’t done so during her husband’s presidency.

    Also, since when is doing right by their African American constituents a favor that politicians should be owed eternal gratitude for, such that they get a free pass for any and all subsequent behavior? They owe African Americans, not the other way around. Clinton I was put in office and kept there by African American votes. It’s the Clintons’ ingratitude you should be incensed by.

  72. I have a question: Does anyone regard Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, Margaret Ann Williams, who is a black woman as sharing any responsibility for pushing this racially-based appeal?

  73. [quote]Actually Laisha, Hillary’s decision to use race baiting as a campaign tactic is pretty much the textbook definition of racism. She didn’t engage in this behavior before now so of course she wasn’t called out for her bigotry.[/quote]

    One thing that changed was the voters she and her husband were after for their respective campaigns.

    When her husband was running, they were tossing out the same voters that she purports to be representing now. What’s highly prized today was worthless before. I think that she’s just doing whatever it takes to try to be nominated. And this way, there’s no need to hide her racism, because she’s out after that “hard working American” (read, White) vote.

    They are both fairly conservative candidates, though McCain’s camp would probably make them out to be liberals.

  74. Back in January, I wrote (in “Hillary Clinton and the Black Candidate”):

    In 1998, no less an authority than Toni Morrison called Bill Clinton “the first Black president … Blacker than any actual Black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime.” This year, she endorsed Barack Obama.And the Clintons, who have historically relied on black votes for support, are now citing those same black votes as a means of marginalizing their opponent.Are they using these new strategies because deep down they’re committed philosophical racists, and they’ve been hiding it all this time? No, I don’t think so. They just want to win. They’re not encouraging racist sentiment; they’re just positioning themselves to benefit from it.But there’s a corresponding question that has been rolling around in my head over the past week: If Bill Clinton didn’t rely on black support to win elections during his own career in politics, what sort of candidate would he have been? What sort of ideology would he have promoted? I don’t know the answer to that question, but I’m beginning to wonder.

    At the time, folks thought I was being too hard on Clinton and seeing evidence of a Southern Strategy campaign that isn’t really there. I don’t see many folks saying that anymore. Her legacy is ruined. Unless Obama takes pity on her and makes her VP, odds are that she will never be a viable presidential candidate again. And I’m not sure that’s a bad thing.

    The first woman president, IMHO, should not be someone who runs regularly citing her race and who her husband is as her primary criteria to serve in office. That’s the Lurleen Wallace strategy, the Ma Ferguson strategy. I don’t see how anyone could consider that a meaningful step forward. What I’d rather see is someone win on the Shirley Chisholm strategy, and right now Obama is running a campaign very much like that, but he isn’t a woman.

  75. Just wanted to leave a note. Toni Morrison has disowned the statement you’ve attributed to her regarding Bill Clinton’s being the first black president. As recently as March, 2008 she has said it isn’t an accurate quote of her comment

  76. numbers don’t lie…she wasnt, imo, racist (until her final comment )because she’s just going off the numbers and jockeying for a strategy to win. it’s like marketing…you have your target audience who you appeal to most so it makes strategic sense to focus hard on that demographic because that’s the only way she can win. do you honestly think she believes that black votes dont matter?

    all in all—she’s a snake. i’ve never liked or trusted her. personally, i think obama is the right PERSON for the job. the thing that troubles me is that many posters are making it obvious that their decision comes down to voting in any woman, black person, democrat, or mccain (simply to teach the DNC a lesson). simply voting in a woman or a black person isnt progressive by any means…it’s voting in the right person…and if that person happens to be a minority well then that’s that. and voting for mccain simply to teach a lesson…wow i dont get that logic. would you place your hand on a hot stove just to prove to yourself that you get burned?

  77. I’m sure most of you already know, but she’s also lost any shred of humanity that she had.

    She hinted at the assassination of Bobby Kennedy in 1968, as if she were hinting it as if it were something that would happen to Barack Obama.

    What makes it even sicker is that we all know that Obama has been surrounded by Secret Service because of bigots that have the idea that they want to kill him.

    And adding to that cheap shot is.
    1. In 2 weeks, it will be the 40 anniversary of Bobby Kennedy’s assassination.
    2. Ted Kennedy has an inoperable brain tumor that will likely be fatal. She says this in the same week that he finds out his possibly prognosis on that.

  78. Re Donna, on May 9th, 2008 at 4:09 am, etc

    Not sure that you will see this, but I just wanted to thank you for some links to some good articles — and for your own thoughtful analysis. I was trying to determine how much of what Clinton is doing might be reasonably dismissed as misspeak and how much is just a little too systematic, shows too much of a pattern. And you have pretty well answered that for me.

    Take care…

  79. A., on May 23rd, 2008 at 9:04 pm Said:

    She hinted at the assassination of Bobby Kennedy in 1968, as if she were hinting it as if it were something that would happen to Barack Obama.

    I think it is fairly clear that Hillary Clinton has been relying upon racism as a conscious strategy. But with regard to the “assassination” comment, her point may very well be that Robert Kennedy was still campaigning in June at that point — and it is on account of his assassination that she remembers it.

    It would appear that this is how it is being interpretted by at least one of the Kennedy’s:

    In fury unleashed by her remark, Clinton got an important vote of support from Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who said he had heard her make similar statements in the past.

    “I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense,” said Kennedy, who had previously endorsed Clinton for president.

    Analysis: Clinton’s latest off-key remark
    By DEVLIN BARRETT
    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvCxBBUEvIEDP_B8GF0Lup2au-IQD90S6IGG0

    She has made a comment like that before — drawing that kind of parallel back in March when she seemed less desperate. But lent today’s context it has been interpretted differently. And she has since apologized — to everyone except Obama and the Obama campaign.

    In any case, both her analogies appear weak at best.

    Here is an article with links…

    The Fallacy of Clinton’s 1968 Analogy
    May 24, 2008 12:21 PM
    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/the-fallacy-of.html

  80. Tom Head, on May 17th, 2008 at 5:04 am Said:

    The first woman president, IMHO, should not be someone who runs regularly citing her race and who her husband is as her primary criteria to serve in office.

    I might keep my eye on Nancy Pelosi.

  81. The following video is a brilliant summary of who the candidate is. It really captures and exposes her soul that has an awful content.

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/05/olbermann_on_clinton_and_rfk.html?hpid=topnews

  82. I wonder how life will be for Black folks if she IS elected? If she’s angry now; feeling privileged now, disrespectful now, what will it be like later? I wish people would just look at her face, her sneer, her empty eyes that tell us she feels this is her purpose, her life’s dream and she will start a race war if she has too because as long as there’s a vote for her she feels she still has a chance. God help Obama if she wins. To me she has taken not the low road, but the underground in this race and since she courts whites and latinos, I don’t think things bode well for us.

  83. I am a black woman who supports Clinton. I am not an Obama supporter because I don’t think he can do anything for me. It’s that simple. It’s not personal or racial. I want a good economy and better health care and a good supreme court justice who will uphold the things I believe in. I don’t care how it gets done or who does it. If McCain can do it then I’ll vote for him. I think that the Clintons are scrappers and will fight dirty for the things I believe in. I don’t believe in rainbows and “I have a dream” type crap. I believe in results. Thats why black people always get left behind, because we believe in every smooth talker that sells us a promise of a better future. Our better future will come when we educate ourselves and our children, not when the “great black hope” saves us. Obama is a man not GOD. He needs to stop speachifying and start doing.

  84. I am not a woman and I am not black. I’ll be voting for Obama. As I write them, those two sentences had no correlation to one another other than this: I predict that this blog spot will wrongly conclude that they *are* correlated or anti-correlated, and so in their general dislike of ‘others’ apparently for simply being others, they will find fault in me having writing them. This is all overlain with over-cognition. Particular instances of unfairness should not be used as palettes to paint the whole world as unfair. Nor sure unfairness go unchallenged. The trick is in *knowing* (and showing), something is unfair… and simply declaring it so, does not make it so… and that is usually directly counter-productive to the original goal of seeking fairness.

  85. Particular instances of unfairness should not be used as palettes to paint the whole world as unfair. Nor sure unfairness go unchallenged. The trick is in *knowing* (and showing), something is unfair… and simply declaring it so, does not make it so… and that is usually directly counter-productive to the original goal of seeking fairness.

    Google “Racism 101″. I can’t deal with this now. I’ve got cramps.

  86. Top piece should be in blockquotes. Sorry.

    Told ya I’m cramping.

  87. Google “Racism 101″. I can’t deal with this now. I’ve got cramps.

    How cruelly dismissive and arrogant, and with a touch of glib and humor.

    Your point exactly? Implied is that I know nothing of racism and/or a book by that title. Both are false. ‘Making my point for me?

  88. Your point exactly?

    BTW, I get the *cramps* part, at least empathetically.

  89. How cruelly dismissive and arrogant, and with a touch of glib and humor.

    Oh, that wasn’t cruel…When I give you cruel, you’ll know it.

    Your point exactly? Implied is that I know nothing of racism and/or a book by that title. Both are false. ‘Making my point for me?

    Actually, you’ve just made mine. I din’t have to imply that you knew nothing about racism because you said so yourself when you stated:

    Particular instances of unfairness should not be used as palettes to paint the whole world as unfair…The trick is in *knowing* (and showing), something is unfair… and simply declaring it so, does not make it so… and that is usually directly counter-productive to the original goal of seeking fairness.

    There are over 80 comments in this thread alone from POC and whites saying that what Clinton said was racially insensitive. If you dig a little deeper on the web, you’ll find thousands more.

    People of Color don’t just pluck a “racism card” out of the air when something’s not right and it affects us. From past histories and personal experiences, we’re able to tell if we’re being unfairly treated due to our racial identity. As a majority (both in status, wealth, and population), many whites can’t understand this. And you’re one of them.

    Oh, and I wasn’t talking about the “Racism 101″ the book. (Nice job googling but you missed it entirely. ) Start off with this page, especially numbers 1, 6, 7, 8, 13, and 14.

    kthxby

  90. Also, found something awesome:

    [The Black United Students group of Kent State] thought it ironic that “when a white person says anything, it is taken as the gospel, but when a minority speaks up, he or she has to constantly fight for the right to be taken seriously.”

  91. Implied is that I know nothing of racism and/or a book by that title.

    Implied is that clue you have not. Condescending, dismissive, and incorrect things you are saying. Learn more you should.

  92. “Particular instances of unfairness should not be used as palettes to paint the whole world as unfair. Nor sure unfairness go unchallenged. The trick is in *knowing* (and showing), something is unfair… and simply declaring it so, does not make it so… and that is usually directly counter-productive to the original goal of seeking fairness.”

    READ –
    How dare you make us white folk feel guilty? How dare you hurt our collective conscience? We’re trying to make a better world, so you all should just go along to get along. Just because we’re moved to ignore racism means that you should follow our example.

    No Jon – you don’t know anything about racism. You’re striking me as a “progressive” white guy who is voting for Obama just because he doesn’t offend your delicate sensibilities when it comes to racism or even really RACE in America. You aren’t the only one I’ve come across.

    So get to educating yourself.

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